Use a TellStick Net from TelldusCenter

[micke prag <micke.prag@…>]

If TellStick Net has an interface for local control, without Telldus Live! it will be possible to use the device as a TellStick Duo.

[stefan persson <stefan.persson@…>]

Supported use via telldus-core, and documentation for own user solutions from devices without telldus-core, for example from phones and pads.

[micke prag <micke.prag@…>]

How should this interface be designed?
TCP or UDP?
How could a typical session be?

[tomas eriksson <tomas@…>]

I would like to see a TCP protocol!

[micke prag <micke.prag@…>]

Please motivate why a TCP protocol is to prefer over UDP.

[tomas eriksson <tomas@…>]

Easer to develop against, nice to have "guaranteed delivery" in the protocol.

[micke prag <micke.prag@…>]

I must say it is the contrary. UDP is much much simpler and much more light-weight.
For implementing in other embedded products UDP will also save a lot of code space.

Receipts of packages is quite simple to implement.

[markus ferlitsch <m.ferlitsch@…>]

Oh now I can answer. :-)

I also would prefer the UDP protocol.

A small JavaScript HTML site shows you your receiver and it generates the right codes for that receivers you want to switch on or off. I think this would be the easiest way.

Moreover, a small webif would be fine where it should be possible also to generate several codes but without graphical support.

[micke prag <micke.prag@…>]

Having all the protocols in TellStick Net will unfortunately not be possible. They need to be generated elsewhere and sent to the device similar to the TellStick protocol. Please see here: http://developer.telldus.com/doxygen/TellStick.html

[runar lie <runar.lie@…>]

I think I could live with both a UDP or a TCP connection. Perhaps it should simply be raw, and we can offload the protocols to the client instead. If we could both send and recieve bitstreams, it would be easier to implement new devices as well.

Receving raw events would also make it easier to make smart actions based on remotes. IE. click once to turn on one set of lights and click twice to turn them all off..

[markus ferlitsch <m.ferlitsch@…>]

I also think that the protocol is not so important.

I want to run a server which gets input from some IR wireless sensors (Intertechno PIR-5000). So the Telldus Net must receive signals. Then when the server recognizes that noone is inside the house the simulation that people are inside begins (sending different signals via Telldus Net adpater). If the server recognizes that people are inside the simulation will be interrupted.

I want to realize it on my OpenWrt based router.

Also I think the Telldus Net adapter must be able to receive commands in a simple way

Whats about receiving commands via HTTP-Request with GET or POST parameter?

How does it work now? Some people bought the adapter yet.
How does it now work?

Is the Telldus Net adapter permanently logged in to the live portal (does it also work via http or socks proxy)?

UDP can't be tunneled with SocksCap via SOCKS proxy.
TCP prototol can be tunneled!

[stephane dierick <sdierick@…>]

I would suggest to develop a specific driver that could:

• From one side, emulate a viruel USB/COM port so it could be used by the several existing home automation softwares (homeseer,...)
• At the other side, convert the instruction sent to virtual COM port into TCP requests for the Telldus Net. That could be implemented in SOAP or RAW TCP or UDP depending what the telldusnet device is supporting easyly.

What do you think about this idea?
By this way, the telldusnet can be used exactly as a telldus duo or stick.

PS: is it possible to get the sources or technical specification of telldus net? Is it possible to contribute?

[micke prag <micke.prag@…>]

stephane: I think you have great ideas.

"By this way, the telldusnet can be used exactly as a telldus duo or stick."
This is exactly the plan. We will support TellStick Net using our current API telldus-core. In this way all exisiting thirdpart applications will be able to send through TellStick Net.

"is it possible to get the sources or technical specification of telldus net? Is it possible to contribute?"
Yes, we are currently making a draft of the communication. The source will be able when this ticket is finished: #156

One thing we really need help with is how to emulate a virtual com-port. Any code/help there will be very much appreciated.

[stephane dierick <sdierick@…>]

Replying to micke prag <micke.prag@…>:

stephane: I think you have great ideas.

Thanks :)

One thing we really need help with is how to emulate a virtual com-port. Any code/help there will be very much appreciated.

Check that GPL project:
 http://com0com.sourceforge.net/doc/UsingCom0com.pdf

Part of this master project based on virtual com port pairing:
 http://sourceforge.net/projects/com0com/

Problems:

• Windows based software
• Need to be adapted because we don't want to connect like This

PC.A--virtualCOM------tcp------virtualCOM--PC.B

but

PC.A--virtualCOM------tcp (or UDP??)------TelldusNet

• TCP Only?

Anyway, even with this kind of interface, I think that providing also a SOAP based interface directly on the telldusNet could be usefull.
For exemple, third party Internet based application could interract with the tellsud in SOAP (or REST).
Can the TelldusNet Handle mini HTTP server? How is the communication implemented with telldus Live ?

I'll be pleased to help the project, Home automation has an growing development and I like the open way you're contributing to it in Telldus!

Regards

[micke prag <micke.prag@…>]

I created another ticket (#185) for the COM-port idea to keep this ticket more focused. Hope you don't mind.

[stephane dierick <sdierick@…>]

Replying to micke prag <micke.prag@…>:

I created another ticket (#185) for the COM-port idea to keep this ticket more focused. Hope you don't mind.

no pb of course ;)

[micke prag <micke.prag@…>]

First draft of TellStick Net protocol available here: http://developer.telldus.com/doxygen/TellStickNet.html

[markus ferlitsch <m.ferlitsch@…>]

A Mini HTTP Server on Telldus Net would be the best solution (I wrote it in one of my posts).
The tunneling over a proxy (http, socks) or tunneling via virtual COM-port is easy ( http://www.eltima.com).

The Mini HTTP-server also would allow to make some PHP or Python applications --> "remote control" of the Telldus net.

[stephane dierick <sdierick@…>]

Replying to micke prag <micke.prag@…>:

First draft of TellStick Net protocol available here: http://developer.telldus.com/doxygen/TellStickNet.html

Hi Mike,

I'm not sure to understand this first draft.

• is it a specification of what should be developped in the future
• is it the way the tellstick net works now?

I tried to push UDP packets in python to my tellstick IP adresse but nothing happends (I tried the two exemples you mentionned in the tuto)...

Moreover, trying to sniff the network traffic on my Linksys router (via TCPDUMP) didn't give me any chance to see a packet to or from the IP of the tellstick! Strange...

I think I have to stop the workaround for the moment :(

[micke prag <micke.prag@…>]

This is a discussion about an upcoming feature. If this was already in the released firmware this ticket should have been closed.
We are currently in the state of finding out how this can be implemented. Nothing ready yet for testing.

[micke prag <micke.prag@…>]

Btw, the auto discovery feature is already working since firmware version 2.

[markus ferlitsch <m.ferlitsch@…>]

But now the Telldus Net adapter is nowehere in Europe in stock or can be bought. :-(

Can the Telldus Net be used as Telldus Duo or Telldus Stick NOW?

[markus ferlitsch <m.ferlitsch@…>]

Auto Discovery is already documented here:

http://developer.telldus.com/doxygen/TellStickNet.html

[micke prag <micke.prag@…>]

Replying to markus ferlitsch <m.ferlitsch@…>:

Can the Telldus Net be used as Telldus Duo or Telldus Stick NOW?

No, that is what this ticket is all about!

[micke prag <micke.prag@…>]

We have now released the source for the TellStick Net used for local access. Read more here 2012/03/02/help-us-develop-local-access-using-tellstick-net-build-your-own-firmware.

[micke prag <micke.prag@…>]

This ticket has been referenced in ticket #224:

Please see #114

[anders engblom <anders@…>]

I would say that this is not the best way to go about it.

Instead I propose that you should allow users to setup a "local cloud". The users can then configure their Tellstick Net boxes to connect to a local server and use the existing Net api.
You could even allow for the local cloud to synchronize to your servers allowing for both extra- and intranet access.

This would give users privacy and speed from local access and accessibility and ease of setup from using live.telldus.com

[richard trouve <richard.trouve@…>]

In local way, does this mean that tellstick-net is accessible by telldus-center ?

[manne björkhagen <manne@…>]

Any news on this one? Is it moving forward or is in a halted mode?

[tatu wikman <tatu.wikman@…>]

Also interested in this, any update on the status?

[odd arne roll <jobbemann@…>]

Im trying to find a way to trigger my switches from a temperature sensor. Does not look like there is any work done on making this work via tellstick live.. =(
I realy should have read through the web-page better before i bought all the sensors and switches for controlling temperature in my house.

Do anyone have a tip for me on how to get my tellstick net work as a thermostat as i planed? Im willing to tinker a bit, and compile some simple stuff, but im no programmer. Aslo a solution would be if i could use a laptop to control my tellstick net (witch this ticket is all about).

Could anyone give me a guestimate on when this ticket will ok and i can connect my tellstick net to my computer?

[tatu wikman <tatu.wikman@…>]

Replying to odd arne roll <jobbemann@…>:

Do anyone have a tip for me on how to get my tellstick net work as a thermostat as i planed? Im willing to tinker a bit, and compile some simple stuff, but im no programmer.

I did this with some coding :)

I already had a nice zabbix server ( http://www.zabbix.com/) running that now also sees the temperatures by using the python example provided here (http://developer.telldus.com/browser/examples/python/live/tdtool) I did have to add some extra code to get the sensor values (should probably release my changes somewhere).

And then in zabbix you can cofigure triggers for different values (and even a hysteresis) to run commands (again with tdtool).

My solution is not yet complete (and not planning on working it right now, just wanted to get nice graphs from the terrarium so that I know that my Iguana is feeling nice and warm :)

[odd arne roll <jobbemann@…>]

Super cool =)
Thank you for sharing, and yes, it would be nice to see what you have done posted somewhere. If and when you do, please give me a heads up!

Thanks again!

[jouni renfors <jouni.renfors@…>]

Replying to tatu wikman <tatu.wikman@…>:

Replying to odd arne roll <jobbemann@…>:

Do anyone have a tip for me on how to get my tellstick net work as a thermostat as i planed? Im willing to tinker a bit, and compile some simple stuff, but im no programmer.

I did this with some coding :)

I already had a nice zabbix server ( http://www.zabbix.com/) running that now also sees the temperatures by using the python example provided here (http://developer.telldus.com/browser/examples/python/live/tdtool) I did have to add some extra code to get the sensor values (should probably release my changes somewhere).

And then in zabbix you can cofigure triggers for different values (and even a hysteresis) to run commands (again with tdtool).

My solution is not yet complete (and not planning on working it right now, just wanted to get nice graphs from the terrarium so that I know that my Iguana is feeling nice and warm :)

Could you please attach the changes you made to tdtool.py here. I would also like to setup temperature monitoring using teltstick net. No need to code the changes multiple times :).

[tatu wikman <tatu.wikman@…>]

tdtool with sensors options. Adds --list-sensors and --sensor-data

[tatu wikman <tatu.wikman@…>]

Cleaned up my version a bit and uploaded it just now.

I wont take any responsibility on it working for you or anyone else.

The changes are simple, just adds two new parameters --list-sensors and --sensor-data.

[micke prag <micke.prag@…>]

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